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		<title>By: A Culture of Abundance: A few thoughts from a graduate student &#171; winterstudies</title>
		<link>http://www.dancohen.org/2010/05/27/open-access-publishing-and-scholarly-values/comment-page-1/#comment-7199</link>
		<dc:creator>A Culture of Abundance: A few thoughts from a graduate student &#171; winterstudies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [4] Dan Cohen, “Open Access Publishing and Scholarly Values,” DanCohen.org (27 May 2010) http://www.dancohen.org/2010/05/27/open-access-publishing-and-scholarly-values/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [4] Dan Cohen, “Open Access Publishing and Scholarly Values,” DanCohen.org (27 May 2010) <a href="http://www.dancohen.org/2010/05/27/open-access-publishing-and-scholarly-values/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dancohen.org/2010/05/27/open-access-publishing-and-scholarly-values/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Revisión por pares-Peer Review &#171; Clionauta: Blog de Historia</title>
		<link>http://www.dancohen.org/2010/05/27/open-access-publishing-and-scholarly-values/comment-page-1/#comment-6415</link>
		<dc:creator>Revisión por pares-Peer Review &#171; Clionauta: Blog de Historia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] paja, y por tanto se los clasifica de forma estereotipada y negativa por muchos profesores, que (como he señalado en este espacio) son excesivamente conservadores en cuando a la comunicación académica. Pero en ese mar de [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] paja, y por tanto se los clasifica de forma estereotipada y negativa por muchos profesores, que (como he señalado en este espacio) son excesivamente conservadores en cuando a la comunicación académica. Pero en ese mar de [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blogs and academic publishing &#124; Sarah J. Young</title>
		<link>http://www.dancohen.org/2010/05/27/open-access-publishing-and-scholarly-values/comment-page-1/#comment-6414</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogs and academic publishing &#124; Sarah J. Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is outdated and persists for a number of fairly dubious reasons (including inertia and vanity, as Dan Cohen has pointed out), and that it actively undermines the proper dissemination of knowledge. The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is outdated and persists for a number of fairly dubious reasons (including inertia and vanity, as Dan Cohen has pointed out), and that it actively undermines the proper dissemination of knowledge. The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: An Academic Russian History Blog? &#124; Russian History Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.dancohen.org/2010/05/27/open-access-publishing-and-scholarly-values/comment-page-1/#comment-6404</link>
		<dc:creator>An Academic Russian History Blog? &#124; Russian History Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dan Cohen: Open Access Publishing and Scholarly Values [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Cohen&#8217;s Digital Humanities Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Conversation with Richard Stallman about Open Access</title>
		<link>http://www.dancohen.org/2010/05/27/open-access-publishing-and-scholarly-values/comment-page-1/#comment-5944</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Cohen&#8217;s Digital Humanities Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Conversation with Richard Stallman about Open Access</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [Your] posting [&quot;Open Access Publishing and Scholarly Values&quot;] doesn&#8217;t specify which definition of &#8220;open access&#8221; you&#8217;re arguing for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [Your] posting [&quot;Open Access Publishing and Scholarly Values&quot;] doesn&#8217;t specify which definition of &#8220;open access&#8221; you&#8217;re arguing for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Cohen&#8217;s Digital Humanities Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Peer Review and the Most Influential Publications</title>
		<link>http://www.dancohen.org/2010/05/27/open-access-publishing-and-scholarly-values/comment-page-1/#comment-5781</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Cohen&#8217;s Digital Humanities Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Peer Review and the Most Influential Publications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] contain much dreck, and thus be negatively stereotyped by many in the professoriate, who (as I have noted in this space) are inordinately conservative when in comes to scholarly communication. But in that sea of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] contain much dreck, and thus be negatively stereotyped by many in the professoriate, who (as I have noted in this space) are inordinately conservative when in comes to scholarly communication. But in that sea of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Open Access, Open Secrets: Peer Review and Alternative Scholarly Production &#171; Victoria Telecom</title>
		<link>http://www.dancohen.org/2010/05/27/open-access-publishing-and-scholarly-values/comment-page-1/#comment-5719</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Access, Open Secrets: Peer Review and Alternative Scholarly Production &#171; Victoria Telecom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] indexed by search engines, and can be easily linked to from other websites and social media” (“Open Access”). In other words, people might actually read [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] indexed by search engines, and can be easily linked to from other websites and social media” (“Open Access”). In other words, people might actually read [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Prom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Prom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 21:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

While I do think the idea for this volume was interesting, and agree with many of the points in the post, I really do think that you need to outline your methodology and time frame for reviewing the submissions and making a decision on inclusion.  At least in the case of my submission, if it is not accepted, I need to know, so I can begin to seek other outlets.  

This is not about careerism, but about service to the community, about disseminating work in the most effective way, and in planning for the future.

To be a bit critical of the post, I would argue that the fact that materials are not deposited into repositories is not a valid measure of willingness to share.  The bottom line is that there are better ways to disseminate research (e.g. blogs), and that depositing into an IR is a royal pain in the backside; which is why I choose not to do it, even though I am an archivist.  Finally, what is &#039;open access&#039; is not necessarily a black or white issue--the main journal I publish in is my society journal.  The content is behind a firewall, but only for two years, after which point is freely available.  The society cannot kill off its major source of revenue merely to support OA concepts, but they are doing the best they can.

Finally, I think it is useful to keep in mind that there is a legitimate role for speaking to your colleagues in technical ways.  Public service can, and is, evaluated as well as formal publication.  In other words, blogs can and do count for something in the P and T process, at least at my university.  the P and T criteria have been updated in the past, and will continue to be in the future, perhaps not at the pace we&#039;d like, but still . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>While I do think the idea for this volume was interesting, and agree with many of the points in the post, I really do think that you need to outline your methodology and time frame for reviewing the submissions and making a decision on inclusion.  At least in the case of my submission, if it is not accepted, I need to know, so I can begin to seek other outlets.  </p>
<p>This is not about careerism, but about service to the community, about disseminating work in the most effective way, and in planning for the future.</p>
<p>To be a bit critical of the post, I would argue that the fact that materials are not deposited into repositories is not a valid measure of willingness to share.  The bottom line is that there are better ways to disseminate research (e.g. blogs), and that depositing into an IR is a royal pain in the backside; which is why I choose not to do it, even though I am an archivist.  Finally, what is &#8216;open access&#8217; is not necessarily a black or white issue&#8211;the main journal I publish in is my society journal.  The content is behind a firewall, but only for two years, after which point is freely available.  The society cannot kill off its major source of revenue merely to support OA concepts, but they are doing the best they can.</p>
<p>Finally, I think it is useful to keep in mind that there is a legitimate role for speaking to your colleagues in technical ways.  Public service can, and is, evaluated as well as formal publication.  In other words, blogs can and do count for something in the P and T process, at least at my university.  the P and T criteria have been updated in the past, and will continue to be in the future, perhaps not at the pace we&#8217;d like, but still . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous (Yes _that_ Anonymous)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous (Yes _that_ Anonymous)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 02:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This would be acceptable, I suppose, if we understood ourselves to be ruthless, bottom-line driven careerists.&quot;

This is because we are ruthless, bottom-line driven careerists.  The modes of employment, advancement and research funding in the humanities and social sciences are based around sole authored monographs or journal articles.  

This is particularly true in Australia where the federal government funding signaling to institutions, institutional culture of research reporting, the funding model of major grants which allow for teaching relief, and the methods of promotion for individual academics are strong economic drivers.

In such a climate the federal government definition of acceptable research publication is centered on _two_ definitions of acceptability.  

1) Commercial publication of monographs or chapters contained in monographs.  That&#039;s right, Australia&#039;s core humanities high esteem output is _by definition_ limited to capitalist modes of output.
2) Peer reviewed journal articles in journals intended for a scholarly audience or conference papers.  (Conference papers involves a number of caveats, but these merely reinforce the commercialised nature of the research output publishing).  Such journals are unsurprisingly controlled by the current set of interlocking publishing cartels.

The immediate solution of &quot;well why don&#039;t we set up our own journal / Humanities and Social Sciences version of arXiv.org is not an effective one.  New journals lack the esteem which is commonly used as a substitute measure for research quality in HASS fields.  Substituting impact factors for esteem is just as hazardous.  Let us assume we can over come through computation the differences in citation styles and density _even with_ particular disciplines.  We&#039;ve just transplanted ourselves to a vicious economisation of esteem and impact.  I think we are all well aware that both of these are poor measures of &quot;quality&quot;.

As both volume and &quot;quality&quot; of research are economised by the funding and labour structure of the HASS fields, and, as the structure is geared towards publication in traditional closed journals, and, as HASS scholarly output and audiences are limited to people with access to academic libraries due to their employment, there is no motivation to produce an alternative system.

And the result is a conservative attitude by scholarly workers in HASS fields towards what a publication is.

[This blog post response earned me zero publication points, and zero esteem factors.  The time I used thinking about it, and the time I used to become a person who could think about it, resulted in no economic benefit to me.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This would be acceptable, I suppose, if we understood ourselves to be ruthless, bottom-line driven careerists.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is because we are ruthless, bottom-line driven careerists.  The modes of employment, advancement and research funding in the humanities and social sciences are based around sole authored monographs or journal articles.  </p>
<p>This is particularly true in Australia where the federal government funding signaling to institutions, institutional culture of research reporting, the funding model of major grants which allow for teaching relief, and the methods of promotion for individual academics are strong economic drivers.</p>
<p>In such a climate the federal government definition of acceptable research publication is centered on _two_ definitions of acceptability.  </p>
<p>1) Commercial publication of monographs or chapters contained in monographs.  That&#8217;s right, Australia&#8217;s core humanities high esteem output is _by definition_ limited to capitalist modes of output.<br />
2) Peer reviewed journal articles in journals intended for a scholarly audience or conference papers.  (Conference papers involves a number of caveats, but these merely reinforce the commercialised nature of the research output publishing).  Such journals are unsurprisingly controlled by the current set of interlocking publishing cartels.</p>
<p>The immediate solution of &#8220;well why don&#8217;t we set up our own journal / Humanities and Social Sciences version of arXiv.org is not an effective one.  New journals lack the esteem which is commonly used as a substitute measure for research quality in HASS fields.  Substituting impact factors for esteem is just as hazardous.  Let us assume we can over come through computation the differences in citation styles and density _even with_ particular disciplines.  We&#8217;ve just transplanted ourselves to a vicious economisation of esteem and impact.  I think we are all well aware that both of these are poor measures of &#8220;quality&#8221;.</p>
<p>As both volume and &#8220;quality&#8221; of research are economised by the funding and labour structure of the HASS fields, and, as the structure is geared towards publication in traditional closed journals, and, as HASS scholarly output and audiences are limited to people with access to academic libraries due to their employment, there is no motivation to produce an alternative system.</p>
<p>And the result is a conservative attitude by scholarly workers in HASS fields towards what a publication is.</p>
<p>[This blog post response earned me zero publication points, and zero esteem factors.  The time I used thinking about it, and the time I used to become a person who could think about it, resulted in no economic benefit to me.]</p>
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		<title>By: craigbellamy.net &#187; Open Access Publishing and Scholarly Values (part three)</title>
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		<dc:creator>craigbellamy.net &#187; Open Access Publishing and Scholarly Values (part three)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 05:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the reasons scholars might resist it developing right now, beginning with Dan Cohen’s post, Open Access Publishing and Scholarly Values, which he wrote for the Hacking the Academy volume, a crowd-sourced book he and Tom Scheinfeldt are [...]</description>
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